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GOP Rift in Missouri: Is It Healthy?

The head of the Missouri Republican Party, Ed Martin, said the "old guard of the GOP missed the significance" of Rand Paul's fillibuster over the use of drones. John Danforth responded in kind.

 

A sharply worded note to GOP supporters from the party's Missouri chairman—and a response in-kind from an elder statesman of Missouri's Republican Party—has observers wondering if a rift in the party has widened even further, according to a front page article in Friday's St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

Ed Martin, chairman of the state GOP, wrote an email last week to thousands (which we presume is the same as this message on Martin's blog) in which he hailed Sen. Rand Paul, R-Kentucky, for his 13-hour fillibuster over the Obama administration's policy on the use of drone aircraft.

He further chastised members of "the old guard of the GOP" — naming Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina in particular — for what Martin was was missing "the significance of the event, which is a reminder that our party has a great deal yet to learn about leadership."

The Post-Dispatch reported on Friday that Martin's message led former U.S. Sen. John Danforth to respond in equally sharp language.

"I could not be more dismayed by the content and threatening tone of the attached newsletter about Senators Paul, McCain and Graham," the newspaper quoted Danforth, a former three-term senator. "What’s the meaning of this? This big tent Republican smells a purge in the air. Who else do you want to kick out of our party?"

A column in the media criticism website MEDIAite listed its view of the "winners and losers" following Paul's fillibuster, which drew attention to the issue and Paul's desire for more answers about the administration's drone policy.

The MEDIAite column listed McCain and Graham among the losers.

Is Danforth right? Is there a "purge" underway in the Missouri Republican Party? Is Martin right? Is there an "old guard" in the party that's not willing to step aside? Is there a growing rift, and if so, is it healthy or hurtful to the party?

Related Topics: Conversation Starter, Fillibuster, John Danforth, Missouri GOP, ed martin, and rand paul

flyoverland

10:07 am on Sunday, March 17, 2013

I think Danforth overreacted. Martin's letter did not threaten to "purge" anyone. He simply said he planned to run the party more in line with the philosophy demonstrated by Rand Paul, Marco Rubio and other new faces rather than the tired old guard that has lost so many elections with its Country Club brand of, "its my turn" style candidates, long on tenure, but short on ideas. Rand Paul, from what I've seen is not an excluder, he is a small government man who wants government out of our lives as much as possible. I understand Danforth does not want to see his equity in the party diluted. The question is whether the party moved away from Danforth, or whether he moved to the left with other members of his distinguished family who now regularly back Democrat candidates who are far more left wing than the GOP he loves to criticize is to the right?

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Don - O'Fallon

10:29 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

Way to go flyover. Keep thinking as you do and the GOP will continue its death spiral. Martin is a possible poster child for the demise of the GOP. It is obvious since ha has run for everything, but cannot win. He like most of the right-wing Republicans have no clue.

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flyoverland

4:47 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

And, apparently, like many Democrats who post here, too.

Stephen D

10:38 am on Sunday, March 17, 2013

You pretty much said it, Flyover. The elephant party is in danger of becoming the dinosaur party if it continues to belch up the likes of McCain, Dole and Graham while trying to keep young bloods on the outside. Proof is in the pudding.

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Jh

11:17 am on Sunday, March 17, 2013

The shift has been to the right. Danforth hasnt "gone" anywhere. Move far enough to the right, and everybody starts looking like they are on rhe left.

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flyoverland

12:43 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

But, you probably believe the Democrats are in the same place they were when JFK was president? It is nowhere near the centrist party it used to be. The problem is the professional political class who now view politics as a career instead of a duty and honor. The worst manifestation is political royalty. Honestly, would Matt Blunt, Lacy Clay, Robin Carnahan or Russ Carnahan have ever been elected if not for their heritage? We are talking about another Bush/Clinton election in '16. Are you kidding me? That's the best we can do? I get it that the old guard doesn't want things to change, but they had their chance. They spent us into oblivion. They social engineered us into paralysis. They have crippled us with needless regulations that benefit only the lobbyists who get paid to try to change them and the lawyers who get rich interpreting and defending against them. It is no wonder people are craving a change. Change may not be possible without breaking a few eggs. Things have to change or this country is not going to be around in a viable state much longer. If a baseball manager loses most of the time we fire him. But, we keep electing the same tired faces over and over.

Elizabeth O'Fallon

11:18 am on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Are you really surprised that there are big government as well as small government sides to the GOP? Must everyone be on the same page and not entitled to their own opinions or stances even within their party? Just because most modern Democrats seem to be for growth in government doesn't mean this has always been so. Read about JFK, listen to some of his speeches, for he was truly a limited government Democrat. The man believed in tax cuts, freedom, and wanted to dissolve the FED. He certainly wouldn't seem to fit well into the Democratic mold today.

Call me a "wacko bird," but I say its time for the GOP to purge progressives like McCain and Graham from their ranks. Term limits would help immensely with solving this problem of removing ineffective, stagnant politicians such as these two. "Public service" also wasn't mean to be a life-long career. I believe politicians should follow the example of the "Father of our Nation," George Washington, and serve no more than two terms in any office. After serving their time, politicians should go back into the private sector and get a real job like the rest of us!

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Chris Misdary

12:06 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

I believe Mr; John Danforth is on the mark in his views about the Missouri GOP Chairman for his support of Sen. Rand Paul fillibuster's! Also, Mr, Danforth had proved over and over, that he is truly a such Statsman, which the GOP (Local & National) are in a disparate needs of this kind of a leadership!!! Although, it is a true too that the Republican party is in a cogent resemblance with the dinosaurs era, and that which inforce the QUESTION of: What has happened to the DINOSAURS?? Of course the Answer is a clear one!!!!

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flyoverland

12:54 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Being a statesman is not the same thing as being right. Neville Chamberlain was also a statesman, but I doubt too many historians would judge him as having been correct. I am all for civility in government, however, I think many, especially in the Senate take themselves way too seriously at our expense. I'm sorry, I don't believe the style of GOP leadership we have seen in the past, which has allowed the country to slip so far to the left, is what we need at all. We need new blood. I am reasonably certain Danforth has the phone number at the State GOP HQ. If he had a problem, why not call up Ed Martin and discuss it, instead of issuing a public press release?

Rich Pope

12:09 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

We need new, energetic, committed faces in the GOP. Get rid of the old guard who see congress as a meal ticket and aren't willing to dig-in and support our constitution.

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Jim Frain

12:17 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

It seems to me for the GOP to begin to compete effectively again, they must be more than the "old man, look out for the rich guy's party".....Both sides of the aisle have the "meal ticket, life time pension guys" and that has to change....Will it change???? I see the need for change in both parties.

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mike reilly

12:39 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

I keep forgetting. How many elections has Ed personally won?

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RDBet

1:18 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Exactly. Ed Martin, lol.

The GOP doesn't seem to learn from the November elections, and remains focused on appealing to it's extremist elements, faux moralists, the uber-wealthy, and corporate overlords.

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Stephen D

1:26 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

RD -- an amazingly ignorant comment, full of slogans and no thought. The uber-wealthy? You mean Warren Buffett, Bill Gates and Hollywood? You mean the richest person in the House -- Nancy Pelosi, or heirs by marriage "John "Ketchup" Kerry? Libertarians have zero interest in bailing out failing banks or corporations as Lords Obama and Bush have and continue to do. The extremists are neo-marxist leftists like you, not those folks who wish to enhance personal freedom and follow the rule of law via our Constitution. Corporate overlords -- you mean the Goldman Sachs crew Obama has placed in control of the US Treasury and Federal Reserve? You mean them?

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RDBet

1:59 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Stephen - Missouri GOP is borrowing it's agenda straight from ALEC - prefab legislation written by corporate lawyers. Stop embarrassing yourself with blind support.

Neo marxist leftist. Lol. I'm guessing I have more conservative practicalities than you (in the real world, not the warped political nonsense world). I probably voted for good conservatives before you got your first tin foil hat.

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Mike Stevens

7:53 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Well stated. So now the Missouri Republican party is looking for some "new blood" candidates to potentially win elections, and the man spearheading that belief is "new blood" Republican Ed Martin, loser of 2 recent elections, because he really knows what it takes to get elected. Nice choice, and thanks, say all the Democrats.

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Don - O'Fallon

10:37 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

Mike, Mike, and RD you get it. If I were really a die-in-the-wool Democrat, I'd be ecstatic at the ignorance of this "new blood" of the GOP and its total incompetence; but rather, I am saddened by the amount of ignorance that has somehow floated to the leadership of the GOP. I'd prefer two viable parties from which to choose our leaders.

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RegalT62

11:49 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

I am a Democrat and I like seeing the Republicans careen off the Right cliff. The Party continues to believe America is waaaay more conservative than they actually are. We can expect the sames outcome for the next few years - including the reality of reduced federal spending under the management of a Democratic President. Politics have literally been turned upside down. I've always admired Danforth, although disagreed with him about Clarence Thomas, and have seen him as a man of conscience. His voice will be ignored by those in the bubble.

James Schumaker

1:03 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Democrats must be rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of a civil war between the Libertarian wing and the traditional wing of the Republican Party. And we haven't even mentioned the Tea Party yet. In an overwhelmingly Red State, Republicans are somehow finding a way to lose.

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Stephen D

1:09 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

They salivate at their own peril. Political parties need renewal and new ideas or they die. The demonrats salivate more at a party tossing up has-beens like McCain and Dole when they run youthful candidates. Clinton vs Dole, Obama vs. McCain. Ron Paul attracted HUGE crowds at college campuses, much larger than the Obama rallies. There is a message that is resonating with the young non-socialist crowd and that's what the old guard is afraid of. What's the point of having a political party that is just demonrat-lite? Even if they win, we get more "welfare-warfare" policies. Before Obama, GW Bush spent more than all other presidents combined.

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flyoverland

1:15 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

We don't need to look for a way to lose, we already have one in the old guard. What most of us are trying to do is find a way to win. I really can't believe we are arguing about someone worrying that a State GOP Chairman had the guts to say he wasn't going to worry about John McCain who ran perhaps the worst campaign on record in '08 and instead plans to look to the future. That doesn't mean there isn't room for McCain and RINO's like Graham, God Bless them, but that doesn't mean we have to follow them down the path to another loss in '16. With millions of points of view and only two parties, neither is going to be perfect for everyone. Just ask all the pro-life Catholic Democrats.

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Stephen D

1:22 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

"McCain who ran perhaps the worst campaign on record". If you've been around long enough, you'd have to give Dole a close runner-up for that award. Talk about giving someone the nomination just because he had "been around forever".

The thought of a Bush/Clinton race is 2016 is utterly repugnant. I couldn't agree more -- is that the best we can do? Give Hillary's role in the current regime, I'm tempted to give Obama an honorary Clinton designation. How many decades will the American people vote in Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton?

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flyoverland

2:58 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Unfortunately, I have been around longer than that. You may be right. Bob Dole was also pitiful.

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RDBet

9:52 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

The criticism by the GOP of Bush is disingenuous. Where were you all when he was ramping up for war in Iraq, and spending those billions? The prescription drug bill?

Anything to do with balancing the budget will require major cuts to the military - I think that is part of the Paul platform (though admittedly, can't say I've followed him much). Is legalizing marijuana enough to expand the base? How do you keep all your other single-issue voters happy?

With MO-How much further right does Martin want the state to go? You risk waking people up - most in MO are unaware of the clown show in Jeff City - like Nieves, and Brown and Tim Jones. How much money does Sinquefield have for all this?

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flyoverland

7:57 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

And your alternative to Bush was who...Al F. Gore. The Ozone Man. There was no choice. I saw Bush out at Steve Brauer's place when he first announced. The guy I saw there I would have followed anywhere. I sometimes wondered if there were two of him, the campaigner and the guy who showed up at the White House. If you were not hearing conservative dissatisfaction with Bush, it is only because you weren't listening.

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Michael E. Carter

10:01 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

Do You Really Think So? I'd Say Republicans Are Undoubtedly In The Middle Of ACTUAL and REAL Change And No One Can Know Where It Will Lead. Take Their Swings On Immigration Lately. Upper Echelon Democrats Might Actually Be Very Scared Of What "New Republicans" Look Like. Just A Thought.

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RegalT62

12:11 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

The change has to be real and honest - and would require party support of programs and policies that actually support those they are trying to win over. One thing to "say" they are now open to immigration reform and something else to actually support it. November was a sign that America doesn't buy the "Republican" talking points. Republicans lost - only keeping the majority in the House by gerrymandering and attempted voter suppression. They can't simply rebrand themselves that easily. Americans have reinforced my faith in their ability to descern who has their best interests at heart.

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flyoverland

8:03 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

I think you overstate what "America" believes. Of course, you dismiss the metric that the GOP only lost the last presidential election by a very slim margin, despite a RINO candidate who did nothing to rally the base. I read where if 300,000 votes had been cast in the right states, Romney would have won. That isn't a death spiral. That is simple a lack of organization and management skills. And, yet, who gets reappointed to run the National GOP? Same guy.

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RegalT62

12:23 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

I don't think I overstate that America is not nearly as conservative as Republicans think. The popular vote wasn't even close. Obama won in spite of gerrymandering and voter suppression attempts by the GOP. Look at the polls on reproductive rights, for example. Only a small portion of the Republican party is Tea Party or Far Right Religious yet they control the entire Party and remain in a bubble of their own making.

Tired of waste

4:02 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Danforth and his country club east of HW 270 kind have controlled the purse strings of the GOP in Missouri for many years. If work hard for constitutional conservatives and they get close to winning then if Danforth, Fox, etc disagree they pull the funding. They have never knocked on a door or stood in the rain on election day at the polls. They just write checks so they think they can they control the message and the party.

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John Smith

7:46 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

The GOP is now the party of anti-science, pro-myth of religion nuts, that would like nothing more than to turn America into a theocracy!

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Stephen D

7:59 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

That's just pitifully sophomoric. I hope you are older than 12.

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CreveCoeurDad

11:02 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

With the Taliban wing of the Republican Party constantly calling it's more moderate wing RINOs, one wonders whether they are more interested in purity than victory.

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flyoverland

7:59 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

Try being a pro-life, right to work Democrat and see how fast the loons who run your party bounce you to the trash can.

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RegalT62

11:57 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

True, CrevecoeurDad. And as long as they keep strugglingly among themselves in their bubble, they are leaving my uterus alone.

Linda Van de Riet

1:41 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

There is an old guard and it's time for it to be put to rest. We want and demand new, energized people that understand what is happening against our Constitution in our communities and in our country. We must turn this Liberal Socialistic truck around and head it back to the freedoms we used to have before the Libs (many of them have posted on this blog) were given our country to run into the ground. Of course they agree with their party of death through abortions, welfare, food stamps, free housing and no accountability. Why not? When you have no ethics, no character and your a lazy baby making welfare recipient and all you have to worry about is when Obumster will give you the next piece of stolen blood money he's taken from the taxpayers, why wouldn't you support such a crooked group of trash recipients? It is much easier to be under the dictatorship of a party that believes there is no place for God, that tells you how you should live, what you should eat, how many pieces of toilet paper to use, than it is to actually use your brains and work hard to be free.

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RegalT62

3:27 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

This is the voice of the "new Republican party". As a Democrat, I'm looking forward to future elections. LOL

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Don - O'Fallon

5:48 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

Agree Regal! The new voices will self destruct and certainly cannot win an election. Also glad that a hapless character such as Martin is leading the charge.

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flyoverland

8:12 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

I think you have confused Ed Martin the candidate with Ed Martin the manager of the party. While you may differ with his stands on various issues, you cannot argue that he runs a great campaign and has done so with very limited resources. He almost beat the Carnahan scion in his own district with less than half the money. Ed is a good organizer and that is what we need. We don't need someone catcalling from their dotage every time he doesn't like something.

Dino McDonnell

8:14 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

As a Regan republican who grew up in a Catholic Irish democrat family, I can say this, “Todays party leader are full of crap.” If they keep it up, we will not have a country to call our own. What we have is our own wall. Regan might have helped take one down but our government has created a new one, one which might never come down. You know what the worst part is, we voted them into office.

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PaulRevere

2:01 pm on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

I just sent a letter to several Republican Senators. It starts.
"GOP" Grand OLD Party. I'm tired of being part of "old".
Naturally, it states "Paul Ryan Talks too fast".
It states that tax-exempt Religious organizations are now getting Obamacare Tax dollars-is that constitutional?
It defines a tax "loophole".
"marriage" re-defined instead of changing our Insurance and tax laws.
"OLD" Republicans unable to understand that Rand Paul was asking the Govt.
"Does the U.S. President have the constitutional power to use "drones" to "Kill" a United States Citizen "ON AMERICAN SOIL", if that person "DOES NOT POSE an "IMMEDIATE-IMMINENT" threat to society.
That was his question. Somehow Ed Martin Got it right. He knows the issue.
Mr. "OLD" and now senile Sen Danforth obviously did not even see the Rand Paul Filibuster. Maybe someone should call Danforth and ask him if he saw it, before accepting his rebuke. Ask him if Rand Paul was against "drones" or FOR the constitution. The constitution is very clear about our Commander in chief powers to order "killing" American Citizens. Would you all read that simple sentence before condemning Rand. B/T/W Mr Danforth--The Whitehouse did finally admit---They have zero power to use drones on American soil to kill "Americans" who do not pose an "immediate-imminent threat".
So, All Republicans have now been asked to "Educate" the voters.
We cannot afford to have "OLDIES" called "goodies" any longer.

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