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Excuse Me Paul Ryan and Todd Akin, Was Josef Fritzl a Legitimate Rapist or an Illegitimate Rapist?

Unless you have the mindset of a stone age tool-maker, rape doesn't need a qualifier or new definition. Rape is rape. Period.

After Todd Akin's confession of his caveman logic on redefining rape, I asked on Facebook, "Serious(ly), if willful ignorance has not infected the 21st Century GOP, then what's going on?"  A friend of mine replied, "Their actions are willful, not sure that it's ignorance. Perhaps willful cruelty, greed, contempt, arrogance, abusive, belittling, misleading, spiteful, denigration..."

Now it comes out that not only did Todd Akin not "mis-speak" he co-sponsored a bill with none other than Vice-Presidential nominee Paul Ryan to redefine rape.  Unless you have the mindset of a Stone Age toolmaker, rape doesn't need a qualifier or new definition.  Rape is rape.  Period.

Many may remember the disgusting excuse for a man Josef Fritzl who kept his daughter in his basement for 24 years and raped her over and over until she had seven kids.  For 24 years, his daughter and three of her children "never saw the light of day."

Does this incestuous rape case really need a qualifier?  Incest is incest and rape is rape.  Todd Akin and Paul Ryan, are you really saying that Elisabeth Fritzl was not a victim of legitimate, forceful rape?  Are you saying that she didn't choose to shut her body down?  Are you saying she liked it?

This is more than immoral.  This is abhorrent and disgusting cruelty and Paul Ryan and Todd Akin's attempts to redefine rape to match their religious dogma is as my friend said, "willful cruelty, greed, contempt, arrogance, abuse," and every other word for offensive that the English language has ever devised.

The 21st Century GOP has fallen from grace.  They have no likeness to their 1950s counterparts and they are as far from their 1860s founders as a rapist is from sanity.

Karl Frank Jr. September 1, 2012 at 03:42 pm
Devon, first of all, congrats on having the courage to use your real name. To both you and 'Pleura Ever,' it is impossible to take Akin's ignorance out of context here:
"From what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare, If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something, I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be of the rapist, and not attacking the child." You're both trying to smoke-screen the issue with revisionist history. There is a reason why the GOP has condemned his comments and pulled funding from his campaign. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/with-todd-akins-rape-comments-abortion-is-back-in-the-campaign-spotlight/2012/08/20/c497bae4-eac7-11e1-a80b-9f898562d010_story.html Of course, then they threw peanuts at a black camerawomen so who are they going to condemn now? http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/cnn-goes-on-air-with-story-about-incident
Sensible? I think so September 3, 2012 at 04:53 pm
"Stress effects a woman's cycle, always has, always will."
Did you mean chronic stress or acute stress?
Geoff Sandt September 4, 2012 at 11:34 am
When Akin said legitimate did he possibly mean that the woman was lying? I have known two woman who claimed to be raped only to find out later that they had affairs and the result was a child from another man. Has anyone asked him what he meant by legitimate?
Karl Frank Jr. September 4, 2012 at 11:52 am
It was very clear what he meant and impossible to take out of context. “From what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare, If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."
The Josef Fritzl case is an example of why he is a buffoon and not only should he not be in Congress...he certainly shouldn't be sitting on the Science Committee.
Integr8er September 4, 2012 at 06:09 pm
Sensible? I think so
Even the U.S. Supreme Court agreed in Roe vs. Wade. Is a blastocyst a baby? Science and our knowledge of Cells and DNA has changed dramatically since the 70's, and YES a blastocyst IS Human, It IS separate and unique DNA from both the mother and the Father, and YES it is a Baby. ...
Integr8er September 4, 2012 at 06:23 pm
Has anyone asked him what he meant by legitimate?
No, They don't even care what he meant, they got ahold of a piece of raw meat, now they want to make it as bad as they can for only one reason. They hate all conservatives.
PaulRevere September 4, 2012 at 06:25 pm
Karl:
Do you want to now debate "It depends on what "is" "Is"? You say it's "clear". Well let me try. Legitimate is clearly used to set the stage of Truthful. Is the President "legitimate?" I wouild claim he is not because of his constant "deceit" Now , there is no proof of his deceit, but I could list a whole series of actions to make my point. We would have a community of Political junkies both approving and not approving of my reasons. My statement could read: "Well if we had a Legitimate President there are things he could DO to convince the people that he is truthful in what he has done." Karl and all the media would certainly take my statement to task. Mr PaulRevere- Are you saying the President is "Illegitimate"? What exactly do you mean by "legitimate President" Do you really mean , he is Foreign? Do you really mean non-qualified voters got him in? All kinds of accusations, that meant nothing to the satement. So , if AKIN said "woman bodies have a way.......", than the outcry should be Prove it. The outcry should NOT be---What is the difference in Legitimate rape and "illigitimate rape". I could see history asking the question. Was "Barack Hussein Obama" a legitimate President with all the US apologies and Mocking of his people and suing his States for reasons beyond protection of the people. Of course, you would disagree with that . I respect that. But , it does make a case for the unnecessary political attacks.
Karl Frank Jr. September 4, 2012 at 06:31 pm
Devon,
The Fritzl case is a perfectly reasonable case of rape where the woman's body did not magically shut down. We could of course list millions of cases if we took the time, but why not just use a case everyone knows about? It also is a case of incest. Akin is against abortions in the case of incest as well, from what I understand. I have plenty of reasons to support Claire, including that I was in the war room with her the night she lost her campaign for Governor and ran her IT infrastructure during the campaign. However, that's not what this blog post is about. If you would like, I will write a post about all the reasons why Claire is a much more rational, reasonable, and legitimate Senator than Akin will ever be. Just let me know. KFJ
Karl Frank Jr. September 4, 2012 at 06:36 pm
Pa El Rue Rev,
I'm speaking solely about his complete ignorance of how the woman's body works...as well as his offensive use of the word legitimate rape. Rape is rape. Lying is lying. Rape doesn't need a qualifier.
PaulRevere September 4, 2012 at 07:32 pm
Wow DEVON:
I may have to ride out of here sooner than Nov 2012, With Steller scripts like yours' "You just MADE MY DAY!
PaulRevere September 4, 2012 at 07:37 pm
Karl:
It's your headline "Legitimate rape or Illigitimate. Now your back to that. Do you know that song "There's a hole in the bucket Dear -" That's where we are at on this.
Devon Seddon September 4, 2012 at 07:44 pm
See, it's not magic. Stress effects a woman's cycle. The rest is just you extending this to something else, again. There is nothing "perfectly reasonable" about the Fritzl case. It's not an indicator of your average rape victim & you knew that when you wrote this (I believe it's WHY you wrote it).
It's also a case of "enslavement" in order to REPEATEDLY offend her over the course of YEARS, in which case, a person would develop a variety of coping mechanisms just to be able to get through it. He DID NOT say that it happened 100% of the time & you even gave the quote that proves he didn't. In legal descriptions of rape, they use "forceable rape" or "statutory rape". I know that tiny minds need to have things simplified for them & need them to fit into little categories, but the rest of us understand that there are MANY kinds of rape, just as laid out by law, not just one. Rape has qualifiers, sticking to the argument that it doesn't just makes you 100% wrong. The Fritzl case & those like it (in my opinion) should have an additional qualifier. Fritzl's case includes many other crimes beyond rape, that's why you chose it (because it's a stretch). You dismiss the law & the qualifiers it uses, those who accuse someone of rape & pretend Akin said that a woman's body will "shut-down" a pregnancy everytime, you have to hope we do too, otherwise you don't have a point, even when trying to apply something that isn't there. You'll never get it, so I'm done with this distraction....
Sensible? I think so September 5, 2012 at 01:06 am
"YES a blastocyst IS Human, It IS separate and unique DNA from both the mother and the Father, and YES it is a Baby."
"A blastocyst IS Human" and "it is a Baby" are far from universal beliefs. Very far.
Integr8er September 5, 2012 at 02:57 pm
"A blastocyst IS Human" and "it is a Baby" are far from universal beliefs. Very far.
It is not a belief, any more than black is black and white is white is a belief. You can't change it just by not believing it any more than you can say under 2 years old is not a life, or a child just because you believe it.
Karl Frank Jr. September 5, 2012 at 03:27 pm
Inyegator,
there are billions of symbiotic organisms living in a woman's body that are technically living and have their own DNA. Women are not the reproductive slaves of the State. It's their choice to give birth or not. Especially in the case of rape and incest. Reverand Paul, Read the article, not just the title.
Joyce Boswell September 5, 2012 at 06:15 pm
GOP is counting on Darwinism even if they don't believe in it. They insist women should not use contraceptives and should carry every child even if they can't feed them because they (the GOP) don't want food stamps or welfare. If the women are having to stay home with all these children they won't be able to work and since the GOP is against minimum wage the men won't make enough to feed a large family so they will all starve to death. Survival of the fittest. Just my take on it.
PaulRevere September 5, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Joyce:
I have responded to you before. 1)GOP does not care if you use contraceptives---as long as you pay. 2) Carry your own child- Feed your own child- or abort your child-or Adopt a child-or put up your own child for adoption----GOP does not care. YOU JUS PAY FOR IT. 3) Charities exist for any needy food and shelter and clothing. My rule would send food assistance to anyone Proving they earn less than $20,000 pr year. (just my opinion)
Sensible? I think so September 6, 2012 at 12:10 am
"black is black" and "white is white" are tautologies.
"It is not a belief". What is it ("A blastocyst IS Human" and "it is a Baby"), then? Certainly not a tautology.
Joyce Boswell September 6, 2012 at 03:18 pm
I am not asking anyone to PAY for my birth control, whichever method I choose. I am asking that I have the right to ACCESS. If my physician writes me a prescription and my insurance plan covers prescriptions they should pay for it to be filled.
I have carried and paid for the birth of all my children and raised them all to be caring, responsible adults. But I know there are people who are less fortunate than I am, who need some help at times and I feel that a lot of people begrudge them that help.
PaulRevere September 6, 2012 at 05:20 pm
Joyce:
Obamacare /Forces every Living person who earns over $9,350 to BUY MEDICAL INSURANCE. Do you know that? Forcing anyone to buy medical insurance when they do not need it is WRONG. If you never had Health insurance , the Obama-Health-TAX will provide it to you "FREE". Surely, if you now have your birth control paid by "Your own insurance" that's fine with me. But, providing a "freebie health insurance" to pay for someone else's lifestyle is not fair to me. I am willing to pay for the needy who really need "Legitimate" health care. If, I am forced to pay for yours' or any other needy person"s health care, I should have the right to "Dictate" what that "health insurance should pay for" You could scream all you want. Forcing others to support --Sexual activity-Drug addicts-Alcohol abuse-dangerous sporting activities-unwed mother baby care is beyond "basic health care". I'll help the needy that prove they earn under the poverty level. NO Problem with that. We would all have much dollars to do that , if you live in poverty. But, obamacare is not dedicated only to the Poverty& needy indiv. It is a TAX that even the Rich can take advantage of. The Rich can stop their Health care and tag along to the "one-size-fits-all Obamacare" Obamacare will eventually get you LESS care. You will remember my comments when that happens.
Joyce Boswell September 6, 2012 at 05:38 pm
How do you know you won't need health insurance. You have an accident and have a broken leg and have to make a trip to the emergency room are you going to whip out your checkbook and write a check for a few thousand dollars?
Oh supporting sexual activity, I don't think insurance companies should be paying for Viagra or other ED drugs or paraphernalia. Especially Medicare.
PaulRevere September 6, 2012 at 07:21 pm
JOYCE:
I am wasting my time with you. So, a final comment. America's medical problems are not new. Doctors and hospitals always were paid directly by the individual who incurred the Bill. I always pay the Doctor by check $50. (I have saved over $200,000 by simply buying High-deductible insurance for 30 years.) Anyone could do this. I make $10,000 annual interest on the $200,000. That's how I pay for "Legitimate" medical. Something this stupid obamacare does not even consider. I have separate "accident Insurance" (it costs me $300 per year) If I have an auto "accident" , I have Auto insurance, and I'm sure you do too. (much less cost than obamacare) If, I fly, I pay $15 for insurance I buy Travel insurance. Viagra? Well? you just made my case. Do you believe 25 year olds or any young woman should be paying anybody else's Viagra, when they don't use it? Of course not. ( My wife & I don't take birthcontrol pills) So I agree that Viagra is not "medical care" and therefore I would think it is outside any Health care assistance for the needy. There will a day when certain foods will come under "healthcare" You better make sure you are well off because Obama-Health-TAX will only harm the Poor and needy. They will be last in line, no matter how "Free" they think it is. Obamacare takes away more Freedom to choose than you will ever imagine. You will get exactly what you paid for. Good Luck! At least I have some written documentation that I tried.
Joyce Boswell September 6, 2012 at 07:29 pm
Thanks, It has been fun!
Karl Frank Jr. September 7, 2012 at 02:29 am
Imatador,
My official position on abortion is described in full here: http://mehlville-oakville.patch.com/blog_posts/todd-akins-rape-comment-was-pseudoscience-but-what-about-the-morality-of-abortion-part-1 http://mehlville-oakville.patch.com/blog_posts/todd-akins-rape-comment-was-pseudoscience-but-what-about-the-morality-of-abortion-part-2-philosophy http://mehlville-oakville.patch.com/blog_posts/todd-akins-rape-comment-was-pseudoscience-but-what-about-the-morality-of-abortion-part-3-morality Thanks,
Integr8er September 7, 2012 at 02:33 am
Sensible? I think so
tautologies....really? does that make you think you are smart? really? It is not a belief". What is it ("A blastocyst IS Human" and "it is a Baby"), then?...what is it? it is a simple fact, and you are asking what the definition of "IS" is again. it is as simple as it gets. there are facts in the world, and this is one of them. I have been through the whole logic train, and you just try to deflect and reposition, I have spoken fact and truth, and I am done with you.
Integr8er September 7, 2012 at 02:38 am
are you going to whip out your checkbook and write a check for a few thousand dollars
Why is that so far fetched to you when you write a check for MANY thousands of dollars for your Health Insurance? You do realize that insurcance companies ALWAYS take in more than they pay out for your care right? YES YOU CAN PAY FOR YOUR OWN CARE!! THAT IS WHAT HEALTH SAVING ACCTS ARE ALL ABOUT!! Wow so they don't pay for an ED drug, but they should pay to kill a small child??? Crazy!
Karl Frank Jr. September 7, 2012 at 02:49 am
INmahgainer,
What would it take to make you care? Those are links to my posts, not some other site. If you are talking about my tendency to cite my sources, I think that speaks for itself. As the old saying goes, opinions are like navels, everybody has one. If sources aren't cited, then credibility shouldn't be granted a priori. I don't mean to put words in your mouth, but it sounds to me you are of the mindset it doesn't matter what the objective evidence may be, you're mind is made up. That's an interesting way to live...I guess.
Sensible? I think so September 8, 2012 at 01:11 pm
"you are asking what the definition of "IS" is again."
No, I'm asking: "Is a blastocyst a baby?" It should be really easy to explain based on your claims: "that is what is right" "it is the right answer" "it is a simple fact" "it is as simple as it gets" "there are facts in the world, and this is one of them" "I have spoken fact and truth" "you just try to deflect and reposition" Another "fact"? "When you have no argument," attack the person, even if you have to make up the attack. "I am done with you" Just like you dropped the acute/chronic stress discussion above when you couldn't defend your claim (that even your sources contradict). I'll borrow Karl's words: "I don't mean to put words in your mouth, but it sounds to me you are of the mindset it doesn't matter what the objective evidence may be, your mind is made up. That's an interesting way to live...I guess." And as long as you don't attempt to impose your "facts", "truths", or beliefs on me or make me pay for them, they don't matter to me.
Karl Frank Jr. September 8, 2012 at 01:24 pm
Just to reiterate, the rate of pregnancy is the same in rapes and consensual unprotected sex. http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/context-and-variation/2012/08/20/here-is-some-legitimate-science-on-pregnancy-and-rape/
BTesh September 11, 2012 at 02:05 am
Thanks

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